Problem 61.13 and refueling

[dkreiskott]

with TopCat. Since 61.13 it is no longer possible to carry out correct refueling with TopCat. The tanks are filled completely inaccurately. The total amount is not correct and then the tanks are filled one below the other. I made a video about it, this problem is quite serious.

In the video you can see that instead of 5015 kg only 4320 are loaded and the filling between the tanks is also visible.

This behavior is random because the tank content taken over varies each time.

Video is here:

[balu69]

Hi Dieter
I also have this problem. We had this here
https://jeehell.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=289
mentioned. I haven't received a solution yet and am back to 61.11

[dkreiskott]

Hi Stephan,

I hadn't seen the messages below the link.
However, this error cannot remain as it is, Jean Luc has to say something about it, or please correct it.

[jeehell]

Can you refuel using P3D menu?

[dkreiskott]

Yes, but this is not the Problem and not a solution. Look at the Video. I think you made changes in 61.13 for the stations?

[jeehell]

The fuel system was worked on, but the stations in the config file did not change. You may want to try pausing p3d before loading fuel, that may help.

[dkreiskott]

Sorry, this is not a solution. The fuel is set via fsuipc. And as you can see I'm not the only one with this error.
Please correct this behavier.

[jeehell]

woah please tune down a bit, I can see you're unhappy with the problem and I am trying to be helpful. I don't think pausing P3D is unacceptable, and please at least have a try on that. IMHO, using an addon that uses FSUIPC is a bad idea anyway.
And as I said it is a work around until I can try to fix it. Or not.

[gillesaqsim]

Hello, indeed let's remain polite and courteous, Jean Luc does a remarkable job, it would be the last straw if he got yelled at...
I would like to participate to advance the "schmilblick". I repeat here that the use of TOPCAT erases 2 x 4500 kg in the payload of JL. Without these two masses the ZFW is false. https://jeehell.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=289 at the end...

I noticed a small malfunction (I am not an Airbus expert... sorry if I am wrong) but if I modify the fuel after filling or emptying, I notice that the small wing tanks (700kg) start to empty in favor of the neighboring tanks.(you finish to have OUTR TK FUEL XFRD) This symptom appears after the global transfer. At home I no longer use topcat but an application that we created,(this one use FSUIPC OFFSETs) we give the total weight and it fills respecting the filling direction requested by the manufacturer. we always fly with the same ZFW and we adapt the fuel to the distance.
Of course all this is done with the GPU and without the APU! Also all pumps are on, and all lights on the FUEL panel are off.

Hoping that these few lines will enlighten you. Have a good end of Sunday and good research if you find the time.
Gilles

[dkreiskott]

who is shouting here? what are these insinuations about?

It's just not nice that something that has worked perfectly for a long time is constantly not working anymore.
And Topcat also works with FSUIPC and is therefore not usable in pause mode!
So it's not a solution, that's all I said.

And I also wrote "PLEASE correct this". So that was a polite request.

And I would like to ask that the release log also state what has been changed.

I think that the Google translation here leads to various misunderstandings

[bbruechmann]

Hello JL, i´am sure the post from Dieter wasn´t meant in a bad manner as you may felt. Do not oversee, that many of us aren´t native english speakers. Because of that, some wording could cause misinterpretation.

I agree to Dieter and for sure many other of us, that the use of TopCat and it´s capabiltiy to transfere the W&B data into P3D via FSUIPC is immanent. This is not only a question of technical functionality. TopCat and FSUIPC playing an important role, when it comes to achieve the immersion or illusion of realty for us "playing" Piots in our not cheap Homecockpitsetups.
Actually, there are no real alternatives if you want to achieve the way an A320 Pilot is prepareing the Cockpit and the Aircraft as much as possible, where Flightpads used for Maps and OFPs and SmartCockpit as EFB.
We also want to make sure, that interactions in the SIM and Cockpit via keyboard and mouse are as less needed as possible, because it instantly destroys the immersion.

In the real Airbus, the Captain has no menu bar at the top of the frontwindow and hit with his mouse, Aircraft>W&B> etc. etc., you know what i mean.

The other portion is, that some "new features" in Jeehell FMGS turning out very surprisingly, where we are not exspecting them instantly. The changelog you provide could may be a little bit more expanded. For instance, in the changelog for the newest Version there´s no hint about, that the fueling got any changes and could cause unexspected behavior.

Of course we love surprises. It´s just the timing that can be very frustrating. On a Sunday afternoon, when you wan´t to use the very rare sparetime to just "Fly" some legs, ending up in several hours of fault investigation instead.

[tcz]

it will be great, if the changelog will be more detailed.
Then we are also know, what we have to test and report, if everthing goes wrong ...

So JL, we doent need "ChangeLog-Books", but little more informations will be extreme great

[Beret_ch]

Can you refuel using P3D menu?

Hi JH

I have also the problem with fuel loading. When FMGS is running, I can't change the fuel via the menu. I allways go back to the value befor.
When I change it befor I start FMGS it change and show correct in FMGS.

Guido